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Post by Messorhead on Sept 7, 2012 17:10:29 GMT
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Post by Jenny on Sept 7, 2012 17:47:11 GMT
nigers are invasive in the UK, they get everywhere, as do flavus you might say they are the successful ants. There are a lot of pests out there, fleas, slugs, cockroaches but to name a few. Survival, is what has been key to their being today  If you know you are keeping an invasive type species then you have to take responsibility for their security, or just don't buy them. I see T.caespitum is on that list, well we have just bought them here in the UK so I suppose in the Americans eyes that would be a shock horror, Myrmecos is always ready to have a pop at ant sellers no matter who they are. What he doesn't realize is, he is actually advertising them more by moaning about them |
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Post by Smudge on Sept 7, 2012 18:25:18 GMT
Wow I actually find that pathetic if I'm honest rats are considerd pests are they not kept as pets. Its not like people are buying them and introducing them to a differant country they are being observed in a contained artificial enviroment. These people are just bajists just as bad as the people who make a massive fuss over the politicaly incorrect. So basically a fuss over nothing
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Post by Wood~Ant on Sept 7, 2012 19:03:54 GMT
Are not humans an invasive species, as we have always gone for taking over territory or world domination. Centuries ago it was the Roman Empire, today probably the USA and tomorrow who knows who it will be? Ants which are invasive are no different, the only thing is the people who see a species as a pest which shouldn't be traded on the open market. Keeping any none native ants runs a serious risk, as many could become invasive pests, so it is the responsibility of the owner not to allow their pets to escape and thus cause havoc, or simply boycott the trader and don't buy ants such as Solenopsis invicta etc.  |
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Post by TenebrousNova on Sept 7, 2012 19:22:14 GMT
I don't like World-of-Ants much having had problems with their extortionist prices and problems with unhealthy/dead ants on arrival, but most of the species they sell are fine. I don't see how Myrmica rubra is a pest ant at all, so who knows how they got on the list.  Solenopsis invicta is definitely a pest, Tetramorium caespitum is probably a pest but not that bad. Like Smudge said, it's not as though we buy them to unleash them upon countries they aren't native to- they are carefully contained so that we can study them and enjoy the traits of genera we wouldn't otherwise see. And Wood is right- from the view of Nature, we are probably the biggest pest species on the planet. |
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Post by msi on Sept 7, 2012 21:09:39 GMT
god these guys are only look at what they want.
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Post by Smudge on Sept 8, 2012 1:24:25 GMT
This is absolutly ridiculous looking at what some of these people have said example. This is biological terrorism.... I mean seriously what the hell is there problem |
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Post by Wood~Ant on Sept 8, 2012 6:48:50 GMT
We could blame the German ant sellers for having invasive ant species for sale, as Ant Store, Ants Kalytta and World of Ants are expensive and have all sold or tried to sell a few successful ant invaders; and even been caught smuggling ants illegally in 1 or 2 cases. Basically it's like I said, DON'T BUY FROM THEM IF YOU FIND THEY SELL INVASIVE ANTS. Plants that become invasive are called weeds, as they are so successful they can wipe out weaker plants; but surely we humans have placed so many plants and animals on the endangered list, and many others are now extinct thanks to human intervention. We are wrong to say what species should live or which should die, as otherwise we might as well stop sending food animals to other countries as they could be carrying harmful bacteria, as many breeds are exported or imported, either dead or alive. Just be thankful we live on the one planet in our solar system that is teeming with life, as before very long we may not have all the plants and animals we see today. |
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Post by Smudge on Sept 8, 2012 14:09:03 GMT
I agree with what your saying, but its not just the German stores, some people mentioned my ant shop too, they want the ant trade to stop all together. What they fail to see is they are in the USA and where we are none of these species are pests. There is also certain regulations that have to be followed to import into the states as well, in which case it is the people who buy them who's responsibility it is that they do not escape.
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Post by deansyme on Sept 8, 2012 16:00:34 GMT
guess I'm going to hell then...lol
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Post by batspiderfish on Sept 8, 2012 17:39:14 GMT
I really hope nobody here is selling ants to the United States.
Just in case someone doesn't know: any nonnative ant species (native has to be collected locally, too) has a "pest" status in the United States. It doesn't need to be damaging in any other way.
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Post by Zarbi on Sept 8, 2012 17:40:41 GMT
Reputable ant sellers are highly unlikely to sell ants they know to be a danger or invasive, the buyers beware and don't buy them.  |
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Post by deansyme on Sept 8, 2012 18:17:48 GMT
never have, never will...even though I get asked on a nearly daily basis....rule 1, always check export and import laws.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 21:36:06 GMT
I know this thread is old but most ant species cannot survive cannot survive in England so even if they did escape they wouldn't last very long. That page was American and they are trying to stop us from keeping ants because they cannot keep them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 21:47:59 GMT
Ants are only pests if they aren't kept properly and are allowed to get out, and then it would be the care-takers fault.
Almost anything can be an invasive pest, heck certain Dermestids are big time pests! [Look at the Khapra beetle!]
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