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Post by Jenny on Aug 1, 2006 5:01:43 GMT
From a newspaper clipping Maybe Frank Sinatra was right, the ant can't move a rubber tree plant. But he knows exactly how many steps to get there. It turns out ants have internal pedometers that help them figure out exactly how many steps they must take to reach their food and get back to their nest. In a new study published in Science, researchers in Germany and Switzerland studied Saharan desert ants and found that, even in complete darkness, the insects were able to assess traveling distance correctly. After training them to walk to a feeder, the scientists put stilts on the ant's legs to see if they would adjust to their new longer stride. Other ants had shortened legs. "These ants walking back homeward on stilts clearly overshot, whereas ants with shortened legs undershot with regard to their normal homing distance," said Matthias Wittlinger, the study's lead author. The length to the feeding station was 10 meters, but those on stilts walked an extra five meters past their destination. Those with shortened legs undershot their goal by 4.25 meters. The researchers don't believe that the ants are literally counting steps in their heads. Although the study was not able to count the number of ants' strides, they did find that ants who ran took longer steps. "The ants walking on stilts clearly traveled for much longer distances than the normal controls, and they did so with apparent vigor." There was no comment on whether ants might be commandeering stilts to reach distant picnics. www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn9436
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Post by maverickhfsb on Aug 1, 2006 9:09:31 GMT
I'm curious as to how they shortened the ants legs....
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Post by ross on Aug 1, 2006 12:38:45 GMT
nooo they didnt shorten the legs just added stilts to make them longer . . . I think
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Post by Formicalondon on Aug 1, 2006 21:21:49 GMT
Nope it clearly says they were shortened I just picture some evil scientist with an ant in one hand and nail clippers in another . I wonder how they attached the stilts.
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Post by ross on Aug 2, 2006 9:27:34 GMT
Ha ha ha ;D I bet the ant was in a bit of pain
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Post by max on Aug 3, 2006 17:32:14 GMT
I bet ants don't really feel pain like we do, They have more of a hey I need to get away from what is happening responce... and that triggers them into the flight or Fight Responce... so yea.. I once read something that said that some studies were made which said that ants might not be able to feel pain but I can't remember where I read it.
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Post by Jenny on Aug 3, 2006 18:40:10 GMT
Hi Max, firstly, welcome to the forum & thanks for joining Bristles were added to the ants legs, and the second 25 ants had their legs shortened surgically. I think nearly all living creatures on this planet feel pain to some degree, even ants. There are loads of debates on the internet whether insects do or don't and it remains open to question. I know in some circumstances, experiments are necessary, but I find it hard to handle with animals and insects. I even have trouble cooking and eating meat some days The chances of me becoming vegetarian could be quite high.
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Post by Jenny on Aug 3, 2006 19:14:34 GMT
Chris, Ross was laughing at Formicalondons thought Read this next article that explains more about it and how the procedure was carried out news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/06/060629-ants-stilts.htmlI didn't really put this article on, to establish the pain threshold of ants but more about how they found their food.
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Post by Formicalondon on Aug 3, 2006 19:15:43 GMT
Due to my own spiritual experiences I my self find it hard to eat meat at times and always feel guilt after killing a fly to feed my Ants. Insects may be on another level of existence to us but they still have a right to exist in our world and remember they have no comprehension of what we are they probably don’t even know what they are themselves so even pests cannot really be blamed for its natural behaviour they just exist and follow there instincts. I have met people though that are much like this. ;D
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Post by ross on Aug 3, 2006 20:42:37 GMT
I think all insects must feel pain because it is a way in which your body tells you something is wrong I.e something is prodding into me ouuuch get it out!! It's like a defence mechanism.
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